I just saw this comment from reader elizstrand and wanted to respond for everyone's benefit.
I just signed up with Global Cash Flow Network today and have charged $8590.oo in fees for the whole program including the Dan Kruscher [Kuschell] mentoring program.
About 2 hours after my Level 1 Consultant sign-up I received a phone call from another "work-from-home" sales rep for "Typing from Home" When I mentioned that I just committed to Global Cash Flow Network the caller dove into a full blown rant about what a ripoff, scam bad deal Global Cash Flow is and that I should immediately cancel. The caller wants to call me tomorrow and assist me in cancelling Global. I'm sick to my stomach thinking about this situation. What are your thoughts?
Talk about bad-mouthing the competition -- is there anything out there that's legit? What do you suggest I do? Cancel or work through the program?Thanks.Strand Communications (elizstrand)
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elizstrand, I feel your pain. I guess you were on a list for home-business information, and that's why the Typing From Home rep called you. The one thing that is important that I think you must realize already is that the Typing From Home rep you spoke to has a vested interest in getting you signed up with them, rather than GCFN. I've belonged to a network marketing company for a while and have found it hard to make any money (I've spent more on products than I've ever made). So I can't recommend Typing from Home!!
(I don't know much about that company, but you can follow this link to read a review about those types of "typing from home" opportunities/scams)
So bottom line, I WOULD NOT sign up or accept further help from the Typing from Home rep!
What About GCFN - Cancel or Not?
Whether you should cancel or not depends on your goals when you signed up. If you are expecting to make money fast (to replace your income quickly to just work from home and not need another job), I'd consider quitting. GCFN isn't a "make-money-instantly" program. It takes effort to study and then apply what they teach you, and I think the Kuschell mentoring takes place over a few months - so it would be months at least before I'd expect you to make any real money.
On the other hand, if you signed up thinking within a year's time you want to be trained in advertising and internet entrepreneur stuff, then I'd stick with the program and not cancel. From what I can tell, if you actually follow the program and use the mentoring (which sometimes takes persistence because the mentor lines tend to be jammed with calls), you will be able to start earning some real income a year or so later. Even now, while I've had a few big checks come in, I feel like I'm just learning.
Is GCFN a Scam?
I don't think it's a scam. At this point, they seem like a legitimate company to me. But I'm still debating whether or not it's a rip off.
I'm still undecided, for the many reasons I've stated in this blog in the past - it's hard to reach mentors on the phone, and there's no good way to track your advertising results when promoting GCFN. But they do offer a LOT of training and have connections to some good internet entrepreneurs like Joshua Shafran, for whom I've gained a lot of respect since subscribing to his "Two Comma Club" newsletter thru the CMPS program.
As an affiliate of the Global Cash Flow program, it clearly has an awesome back-end (customers you find will be spending thousands, which means you make a significant cut 10-20% each time, which can add up fast if you can find a good advertising/marketing method that works for you - as seen by the checks I've received). But correlating your earnings to your advertising is nearly impossible and something they really need to fix before I'll be able to say definitively that it's a good program.
Frankly, if you are signed up with the Dan Kuschell mentoring program, I'd give it a chance to work out for you. I didn't sign up for that, and actually regret it (since the "Guaranteed Traffic" was a total let-down, I wished I'd spent that money on the mentoring). My sense from talking to my level-2 coach has been that the Dan Kuschell mentoring students get a lot more help and advice. So the fact that you signed up for that is a plus - you're just going to have to work hard to get value from it.
With the CMPS program, you'll learn a lot about advertising and internet marketing stuff with the free "bonus" courses you'll receive electronically over the next few months, but you still have to figure out how to use that knowledge to make some money. Ideally you want to get in a position of promoting products OTHER than GCFN or Dan Kuschell's stuff. But you won't know enough to do that for a while.
That's why I've been saying in some of my past posts that I think the only way to succeed or get value from GCFN and the CMPS program is to look at it as an education/training course more than a money-making opportunity. You'll spend time and money now at a short-term loss, but I think long-term you'll have learned enough to start making real money on your own (not necessarily thru GCFN) within a year.
Bottom Line - Quitting or Sticking With It
It depends.
A) If you can afford to spend the $8500+ for the CMPS/Kuschell program and still be solvent if you don't make much/any money back for the next 6 months, you should definitely stick with it and not cancel. After 6 months, if you've really been following the program, you should be making that money back. And if you could leave a comment here about the Kuschell mentoring, that would be really helpful (because I'm assuming here that his mentoring program really has value to it, and isn't like the Guaranteed Traffic disappointment)
B) If you are going to be in financial crisis and not able to pay credit card bills unless the program starts producing massive amounts of cash for you, I'd recommend you quit and get your refund ASAP. From what I've seen, if you need this program to make money fast, you're going to be very disappointed.
C) If you are somewhere in-between - you can't wait 6 months, but you can afford to pay your bills (maybe you have another job) - then you should stick with it and not quit. You really will learn some stuff. I believe what you'll learn can pay off big-time down the road...but it's not going to pay off right away.
The hard part is applying what the CMPS program will try to teach you. It's all home-study, except for the times you speak to a coach and ask questions. If you don't apply it, you are wasting your money and will never get anywhere. You need to commit to really trying to apply what you'll be offered in training. I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but honestly, no home biz program out there is going to work for you unless you put some serious elbow grease into working your own education and business efforts. Unfortunately, even working hard won't guarantee success, but having any chance at profits at all starts with working hard.
Is There Any Legitimate Work from Home Program Out There?
I honestly do not know. I'm pretty cynical. I've bought plenty of courses, not just the GCFN/CMPS thing, and have yet to make any of that money back entirely by applying the material. But then again, I generally have been lazy and not diligent at applying the stuff I've bought.
The only reason I'm not entirely negative on GCFN/CMPS is because of the big checks I've been getting lately (roughly one big check $600-$950 a month for the past 3 months). It's hard to be negative about a program that sends me $950 checks.
I hope this helped. Please, let me know what you decide to do in a comment.
P.S. I have NOT received another check yet since my last post. But stay tuned!
7 comments:
Well, I'm not surprised Mary called you, your blog is pretty honest and maybe there don't want that? I joined the CGFN in November 2007. I have an existing business and thought maybe a few extra hundred per month earned online would be great when things are soft on my other business. I spent over $6,000 to get everything. I went platinum, I added the Dan Kushell program. I've earned $110.00. The cons are that it took so long to get my CJ account approved; the fact that I live in Canada the postage for the postcards is close to 50 cents each; there is so much difficulty in contacting anyone for answers, etc., etc. The pros include a very well written and presented program, top-notch information, many, many 'free' special programs to enhance your original investments, etc., etc. I'm still not totally convinced I did the right thing signing up, nor am I convinced I've been ripped off. I did complete my 14 Things List in February and faxed it in. I still haven't received acknowledgement of that (wasn't I supposed to get my original $199.95 back?) and I'm hoping they are telling the truth about EVERYTHING being risk free as I think they may be writing me a cheque for over $6,000.00 this November if I don't see anything else happening. The Dan Kushell mentoring program was worthwhile. The phone tutor sessions were most helpful, but still cost me money on auto responder programs and domain names I still haven't seen a return on. I'm frustrated, but encouraged that you seem to be getting somewhere with it. GCFN Client #14181
Hi I just happened across this post and I too joined GCFN June 07.All the usual hooha getting started and after getting convinced by a level 2 coach what a good thing the Guaranteed Traffic Program was I committed to 20000 visitors-$4495USD.After the initial 3 month period it fell well short so they reran it.This next run also fell well short so I had it re run.All the while calling in and trying to find why I am getting zero return.Nobody gave me a straight answer except they kept saying just keep promoting.Then they sent me a $10 cheque and not long after that a $100 one.That is all I received.Earlier this year I was sick of getting the run around and went to their quality control manager.After initially talking to him and promising to resolve this issue he would not return my emails nor when I rang would he take the call only telling the operator that he was on another call or out of the office.All in all bad form.Long story short they refunded me $1500 which was a virtual admission that they conceded that all was not well with the program.When I requested a full refund they put one of their VIP coaches on to me who promised me this wonderful new radio based form of advertising.That was back in March....you guessed it,still standing by to stand by!Am seriously looking at the Dan Kuschell mentoring as they have written guarantees(for what its worth)Yet there are a couple of things that dont seem to tally and if anybody has any feedback in this regard I would love to hear from you.All the best out there,Willy
I'm starting to have serious doubts now. As I stated here before I had finished my first 14 steps back in February 2008. It's now August 2008 and I'm still going back and forth with them on what is considered proof that I completed the steps. I still haven't seen my initial $300.00 back. I did send all the proof they needed to see I had completed that part of the program, e-mailed as jpegs to which I've been told they could not open! They even got their 'tech' on it and STILL they couldn't open the jpegs. I'm sending them a note today demanding a full refund. What a bunch of crap!
Today (August 28, 2008) I sent an e-mail to Global Cash Flow Network demanding a refund of the over $6,000.00 I've spent to be a part of their program (not counting the additional $2,000+ spent on other stuff connected to the program). As I stated here before, I finished my initial 14 Steps back in February 2008. I've been e-mailing them back and forth for the past month asking where my start-up $300 is. I found out the guidelines had changed (big surprise) and once I figured out I still had all 14 Steps completed I e-mailed proof. Here's where it got fun. They couldn't open my screenshots. I thought, okay, that's possible so I sent them in jpeg format. They couldn't open them. I sent them to a friend who had no problem opening them at all. So I sent them to GCFN again. Still they couldn't open them and said they were going to get their 'tech' on it. A few days later I got word that the 'tech' couldn't open my jpegs. I think they are jerking me around. Since joining GCFN in November 2007 I have earned exactly $110.00 - what EVERYONE receives after joining. I'm not a happy camper. Soon to be 'formerly known as GCFN Client #14181.
I would cancel. All I have done is pay every month to have traffic go to my site. And they don't sign up. There are thousands of the same websites out there. They are worn out. Too much competition. How many people can compete for someone to sign up with them? And all the testimonials are the same. Because they are pre written by Mary. The program SUCKS!
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Hi, you havent blogged since april 2008, whats your latest story, or that was just about the end of the program, let me hear from you.
wow...one of them have just called me..he said that he's gonna give free conversation but i said that i'm busy(because i'm not prepared--luckily) so he said that he will call me again...
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